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作者: kpl    時間: 2009-7-17 10:08 PM     標題: 二次大戰時.傳說中的秘密武器! (大量圖及解說)

Made in Germany, 1940-1945

The Second World War was a period of remarkable advances in technology and many new weapons were invented during this period, some of which entered production and actually saw service in the war, while others never left the drawing board.




(images via War Front: Turning Point, 1)

For the naval war, Germany built some submarines that could:
- stay submerged for an entire patrol
- used advanced sonar so they could target the enemy without raising the periscope
- were equipped with the first electric powered torpedoes which left no trail of bubbles to give away the sub’s position
- some even had stealth coating, rendering them invisible, when surfaced, to Allied planes using infra-red searchlights.

WunderWaffe 1 - Vampire Vision

The Sturmgewehr 44 was the first ever assault rifle, similar to the modern M-16 and AK-47. The ZG 1229, also known by the code name Vampir, was an infra-red sight designed so that this rifle could be used by snipers at night. It was first used in combat in the last months of the war and weighed about five pounds, but was also connected to a thirty pound battery support pack, strapped to the soldier’s back.



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WunderWaffe 2 - Shooting Around Corners

"The idea of weapons capable of proving aimed fire from around corners has always existed, and eventually materializes in the form of working pieces. One such device was "Der Gebone Lauf" ("The Curved Barrel"), created by the Germans in WWII, seen below fitted to an MP44 7.92 x 33 mm (7.92 Kurz) caliber assault rifle." (more info)



(images via 1, 2)


WunderWaffe 3 - Super-Heavy Tanks

German engineers worked on a number of designs for super-heavy tanks and the Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus was the heaviest model of which a working prototype was made during the war. This tank weighed in at around 180 tonnes and this ended up being its principal problem. No engine was powerful enough to allow the tank to achieve the desired speed of 20 km/h, with only 13km/h being reached and that under ideal conditions. It was also too heavy to cross bridges. However, because the tank stood relatively high off the ground, it could actually ford deep streams and for deeper rivers was able to go underwater and drive along the bottom. However, to do this it had to be partnered with another tank, which supplied the electrical power through a cable. Amazingly, a long snorkel, allowing the crossing tank to submerge to a depth of 45 feet, fed air to the submerged tank’s crew.









(images via 1, 2, 3, 4, Wydawnictwo «Militaria» Wrobec)

"Design studies found at Krupp showed a version of the Maus carrying a 305mm breech-loading mortar, named 'Bear', and a giant 1500-ton vehicle with a 800mm gun as main armament plus two 150mm guns in auxiliary turrets on the rear quarters. This vehicle, put forward by two engineers named Grote and Hacker, was planned to be powered by four U-boat diesel engines!" (more info)



The Landkreuzer P-1000 Ratte, from "My Tank Is Fight"

This image shows how the Tiger tanks grew in size throughout the war:


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WunderWaffe 4 - "The Walking Tank", the mine-clearing vehicle

One of the MinenRaumers - "In 1944, Krupp built a prototype of this super heavy mineclearing vehicle. The 130t vehicle was articulated in the centre, and was suspended on 2.7m diameter steel wheels. These were set on different track widths at front and rear, so as to sweep a wider path. Each section of the Raumer S was powered by a Maybach HL90 motor. It was captured at end of the war by the U.S Army." (source)





Another design was even stranger, developed by Alkett, Krupp and Mercedes-Benz in 1942:



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"The body of this strange machine built on the mounting of a heavy gun with a cabin including the compartment of combat, the engine compartment and which was surmounted by a turret of Panzer I (2 MG34). The shielding varied from 20 to 40 mm on the body of the machine. The lower part to be able to resist to the mines was of 80 mm. The direction was done using the small wheel located at the back, two larger wheels supplemented the suspension. The steel wheels were provided with steel shoes similar to those used by the German heavy guns at the time of the First World War. The wheels come from Caterpillar trucks. They were in theory to resist the explosive loads of the mines." - via



WunderWaffe 5 - the world’s first cruise missile

The Fieseler Fi 103, more familiar as the V-1, from the German vergeltungswaffe or vengeance weapon, was the world’s first cruise missile. The V-1 was powered by jets and carried an 1875 lb warhead with a range of 125 miles, the first ones being launched at England on June 13, 1944, just after D Day. The missile was sometimes delivered in the air from bombers, but was mostly ground launched, with long ramps hidden in wooded terrain. However, these were clearly visible from the air, so were usually bombed very quickly, forcing the German army to use mobile ramps instead, which they moved around the Pas-de-Calais region of the French channel coast.



(images via 1, 2)

Recreated launch ramp at the museum in Duxford, UK -


(image via)

Despite its fearsome reputation, although nearly 9,250 V1’s were fired against London and other English towns and cities, fewer than 2,500 reached their target, the others being destroyed by anti-aircraft fire, fighters, and even barrage balloons. However, V1 firing continued, at Antwerp and other cities on the European mainland as well as against England, until Allied forces finally captured the launch areas in late March 1945.

Variation: Rocket-Propelled Piloted Aircraft Bomb - more info:



Kamikaze "Ohka" (Cherry Blossom) ordered by Japan empire (U.S.S. "Essex" was hit by one of these, for example)


V-1 used against London, and the new V-1 "BAKA", an interesting comparison


WunderWaffe 6 - the original long-range ballistic missile

The V1’s successor, perhaps a little predictably known as the V-2, was the original long-range ballistic missile and the first man-made object to achieve sub-orbital spaceflight. With a range of 200 miles and a 2150lb warhead, the V2 also traveled at 2500 mph, so it was impossible to intercept and hit its target from above faster than the speed of sound. There was no advance warning and although the V2 was far from accurate, it caused mass terror and panic when used against civilians. The rockets were also fired from mobile launchers, which were difficult to locate either before or after they were fired. Over 3000 V2’s were fired against the Allies, killing over 7000 people, both military and civilian, and the rocket threat was only finally ended when the German army was forced to retreat beyond the launch range.




(images via 1, 2, 3, 4)

The V2 was very expensive to produce, inaccurate and only carried a small warhead, but had the Germans had more time to develop it, the war might have taken a very different course. They may have been able to attach a nuclear warhead, and were working on using biological and chemical weapons in the rocket program. By the last days of the war, Germany had supplies of the nerve agents sarin, tabun and soman, but had never used them.



A rocket launching platform towed behind a submarine, intended for use against the North American continent, was successfully tested and scientists were also supposedly at work on the V9 rocket. This version would actually have a pilot, who was to bail out at the last minute with a parachute and be rescued at sea by a submarine. The V9 was to be armed with a one ton warhead, and be able to reach the US from Europe in just thirty five minutes.


Rusting V2 engines, images via 1, 2, 3

At the end of the war, American, British or Soviet forces captured many German weapons, undeveloped projects and blueprints, plus the scientists who worked on them. Rocket scientists in particular played a large role in the space race and were instrumental helping the United States achieve the moon landing in 1969.


WunderWaffe 7 - the rocket-powered fighter plane

With aircraft, some of the German designs not only made it off the drawing board, but also flew in combat, although often not in sufficient numbers to alter the course of the war in Germany’s favour. The Messerschmitt Me 163 was the only operational rocket-powered fighter plane of the war, but although it was very advanced it performed poorly in combat and downed limited numbers of Allied aircraft.


(image via)

The first turbojet fighter aircraft, the Messerschmitt Me 262, first appeared in the skies over Europe in 1944. Although arriving too late to seriously impact the course of the conflict, the Me 262 still claimed over 500 Allied aircraft, losing around 100 Me 262s in the process.


(image via)


Strange prototype Dornier Do-335, with propellers both in front and in back
Intended to be the successor of the Me 262, the Focke-Wulf Ta-183 fighter jet had only been tested in wind tunnels by the end of the war, although the plane’s basic design was developed in Argentina after 1945. Is thought that the Soviet MiG-15 was based on captured German plans, and the two planes do bear some resemblance, although Russian historians reject these theories.



images via 1, 2, 3

The Bachem Ba 349 was an experimental rocket-powered interceptor. With a vertical take off rather than using vulnerable airfields, it was intended to operate like an unmanned missile. Most of its journey to reach enemy bombers was radio controlled by ground personnel, although it did have a pilot, who would aim at the target and fire its rockets when close enough. However, the test pilot was killed in the plane’s first and last test flight in March 1945 - more info.


(images via 1, 2)

The DFS 346 was a high-speed, rocket powered research aircraft. The prototype, unfinished at the time of the German surrender, was apparently rebuilt and underwent successful test flights in the Soviet Union a few years later - more info



The Heinkel He 162 was a single engine jet fighter. It was made mostly of wood, since by this stage of the war, metals for aircraft manufacture were becoming scarce, but the He 162 was the fastest of the early jets. Henschel’s Hs 132, an interceptor aircraft and dive-bomber, never flew in active combat:



Heinkel He 162 above, Henschel’s Hs 132 below. images via

The Arado 234, the world’s original jet bomber, was very advanced for its time. It was equipped with automatic pilot, an ejector seat, pilot-aimed rear guns, and powered by twin jet engines, it proved far too fast for Allied planes to intercept.





WunderWaffe 8 - a sub-orbital bomber

Silbervogel, which translates as Silverbird, was a rocket powered sub-orbital bomber, which was tested in wind tunnels, but never actually produced. However, it was a forerunner of future winged space vehicles such as the Space Shuttle.



(images via)


1) Pressurized Cockpit 2) Oxidant Tanks 3) Fuel Tanks 4) High-Pressure Combustion Chamber of 100 Tons Thrust 5) Auxiliary Rocket Chambers 6) Wedge-Shaped Wing 7) Retracted Undercarriage 8) Free-Falling Bomb - image via


1) Captive Rocket Booster of 600 Tons Thrust 2) Sänger Amerika Bomber of 100 Tons Thrust 3) 3 Km (1.9 miles) Long Monorail Track 4) Sled Carriage - image via

Scientists believed that the Silbervogel would be able to cross the Atlantic carrying an 8,800 lb bomb to the continental USA, and then land in territory held by Japan in the Pacific. It would cover such a vast distance in a series of hops. After reaching 1200 mph with the help of a rocket-powered sled on a two mile rail track, the Silverbird’s rocket engines kicked in once it was airborne. Eventually flying at ninety miles and at a speed of almost 14,000 mph, it would slowly fall into the stratosphere and greater air density would give it a bounce to regain altitude. The size of the bounce would decrease each time, but German technicians still figured the Silverbird was very capable of making a mind-boggling trip of between 12000 and15000 miles.


WunderWaffe 9 - the flying-wing bomber

The Horten Ho-IX was a flying wing fighter/bomber, the prototype being developed in the latter part of the war. We show both "Gotha" and "Horten" projects here:





(image courtesy Jozef Gatial Thomas, see more here)

The earliest military helicopters were built by Germany and mainly saw service in the Mediterranean, but a few were also used in the Aegean and Baltic theatres. Both the Flettner 282 and the Focke Achgelis 223 (shown here) were never built in large numbers as a result of the production facilities being destroyed by Allied bombers.


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WunderWaffe 10 - the Wind Cannon & the Vortex Gun

Some of the more bizarre inventions and ideas developed by German scientists were
- the sun cannon
- the vortex gun
- the sound cannon
- and the wind cannon.

The sun cannon had a big sun-reflector intended for use against enemy aircraft. The Americans captured an experimental model of the cannon in 1945, but its unknown whether any tests were done after the war - more info

The vortex gun was designed to try and take advantage of the known fact that air turbulence could bring down large aircraft and break them into pieces. The vortex gun’s shells, containing coal-dust and a slow-burning explosive in the center, were supposed to create an artificial whirlwind or tornado, which would make enemy airplanes lose control and thus fall from the sky. During testing and under near perfect conditions this odd device seemed to work quite well. It wasn’t known if the air pressure would actually cause structural failure in a plane, but the pressure it put on the wings would probably be very high and that might be enough to down the aircraft. Fortunately for the Allies, the vortex gun was never put into practice.

The wind cannon was designed to shoot a powerful jet of compressed air, as effective as a small shell, against enemy aircraft. As you can see from this picture it was an odd looking device. In tests, such a blast could break a 25mm wooden board from over 600 feet away. However, the potential effect on a fast moving aircraft would obviously be very different than against a fixed target, so as intriguing as the wind cannon was, it was unlikely to have produced the desired results. Even so, a cannon was set up on at one on the Elbe bridges in the closing stages of the war, but didn’t succeed in bringing down any hostile planes.


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The sound cannon was supposed to turn explosions of oxygen and methane into noise that could kill. A very high amplitude sound beam would be emitted at pressures exceeding 1000 milibars from a distance of around 150 feet, which would be fatal to a human exposed to it for thirty seconds. At a greater distance, a soldier would still suffer great pain and be seriously incapacitated for a considerable time afterwards. The sound weapon wasn’t used in combat or tested on people but it is thought that lab animals may have been used. Another acoustic device, which was said to resemble a large cannon, supposedly sent out a sonic boom shock wave with enough force to bring down a large bomber.


作者: jack168100    時間: 2009-7-17 10:29 PM

英文不好....
看圖片就很爽了= ="
作者: panyuwei    時間: 2009-7-17 11:15 PM

精彩,不過看全英文太辛苦了!而且軍武的單字更是我不認識他、他不認識我。
但是看圖片就讓我覺得很過癮。
作者: 大樂王國    時間: 2009-7-17 11:15 PM

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作者: SCORPION1120    時間: 2009-7-18 08:32 AM

德國就是德國很會創新
作者: lcs71917    時間: 2009-7-18 08:40 AM

要是這二戰,不是秘密武器,我看盟軍大家都不用玩了......
完全是被打假的!
作者: FATANT01    時間: 2009-7-18 11:07 AM

英文不識我但圖很棒
作者: j304172000    時間: 2009-7-18 01:44 PM

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作者: 黃健霖    時間: 2009-7-18 01:52 PM

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作者: a333754556    時間: 2009-7-18 02:59 PM

話說有些東西可信度值得懷疑呢
加上 解說都英文
都快哭了= =
作者: g004726    時間: 2009-7-18 03:15 PM

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作者: patrick0013    時間: 2009-7-18 03:37 PM

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作者: boy_951753    時間: 2009-7-18 05:05 PM

我看不懂英文ˊˋ不過還是給你推....
作者: yellowcorn    時間: 2009-7-18 05:30 PM

蠻有趣的圖片謝謝分享.....
作者: bywho    時間: 2009-7-18 08:44 PM

哇~真有想像力
如果真有這些東西
歷史就要改寫了吧!
作者: kusoman7474    時間: 2009-7-18 08:51 PM

德國當時科技真的是超先進的~~~
當時就有能力發展史上第一枚彈道飛彈 雖然精準度非常差
還有第一架噴射引擎的戰鬥機..可惜還沒服役世界大戰就結束了..
作者: ss14782000    時間: 2009-7-18 09:46 PM

我再懷疑美國的B2 是不是仿照圖片中的轟炸機呀@@  而且還有飛碟
作者: asc0304    時間: 2009-7-19 12:13 AM

請問一下 有多少東西 是實際做出來的阿

還是通通都是?

有些看起來是 真實照片

有些不是= =
作者: pppt3365    時間: 2009-7-19 12:14 AM

恩  假設德國真的在發展這麼先進的東西 納托垮德國的真的不是技術  是資源
作者: 鍾沛清    時間: 2009-7-19 02:01 AM

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作者: gn01625123    時間: 2009-7-19 09:22 PM

想像力豐富
話說有些東西可信度值得懷疑呢
加上 解說都英文
作者: tomahawk2819    時間: 2009-7-19 09:37 PM

大開眼界了
要是二戰再拖個幾年
我看歷史又要重寫
作者: 阿魁    時間: 2009-7-19 11:54 PM

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作者: talk912    時間: 2009-7-20 12:12 AM

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作者: jolin0035    時間: 2009-7-20 12:48 AM

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作者: won01250422    時間: 2009-7-20 02:00 PM

可以證明了一件事~~被激發的創意是無限的
感謝大大的分享~~~!
作者: merce888    時間: 2009-7-20 04:22 PM

Wondering ~~ what will the Germans produce if they had won the war~~
作者: zore    時間: 2009-7-20 05:51 PM

英文
好多英文
@@mp
作者: ktlun    時間: 2009-7-20 07:20 PM

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作者: gslab    時間: 2009-7-20 08:03 PM

很佩服德國的創意阿!!
呵呵呵~~不過說真的!從二戰各國都在研究碟型飛行器!!!
作者: a512826487    時間: 2009-7-21 12:18 AM

如果這些東西都弄出來了
地球早就變成地球共和國了
作者: 一九九    時間: 2009-7-21 01:12 PM

有些早已存在了吧.....

數量不足還是實驗用的

不然早就歐洲歷史被改寫

一打好幾國很猛了
作者: willy小池    時間: 2009-7-21 03:52 PM

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作者: zx23234    時間: 2009-7-22 09:19 PM

大部分都是德軍的
幽浮那個是....假的吧?
槍管弄彎,難道子彈會轉彎!?
作者: shoshoji    時間: 2009-7-22 09:26 PM

都是英文看不懂
幽浮美國人有做過
只是連平衡都有問題
飛不起來
作者: d81018    時間: 2009-7-22 09:39 PM

英文看不懂~~還真是卸卸了'.........
作者: hinahina    時間: 2009-7-22 10:04 PM

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作者: boatman    時間: 2009-7-23 02:14 AM

wow~~ really hope i got chance to try it~~ XD
作者: feddl    時間: 2009-7-23 10:19 AM

有些可能是真的~但有些就是唬爛ㄉ
作者: mana1160    時間: 2009-7-25 11:55 PM

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作者: m00055419    時間: 2009-7-25 11:58 PM

THX!!! 1# kpl
作者: vvikimo    時間: 2009-7-26 02:34 AM

坦白說,
戰爭的潛能還是要靠工業實力。
回顧二戰時的中日戰爭,
其實中國是靠民族意志與慘烈犧牲熬過來的,
至於戰爭裝備的競爭性與精彩性則是零。
這個事實到了俄軍回過頭來打日軍時就非常明顯了。
作者: kingson    時間: 2009-7-26 11:35 AM

應該很多還是在發想階段吧
離真正實現還有一大段距離就戰爭結束了
不過看圖看得很爽
多謝分享
作者: c04    時間: 2009-7-26 12:56 PM

感謝樓主的分享
最後一張是幽浮嗎?
作者: jackhu234    時間: 2009-7-26 03:57 PM

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作者: k19qoo007    時間: 2009-7-26 04:47 PM

原文啊~
雖然說要上大學了,
卻沒有做好英文的準備~
第一張圖的戰機會不會有點瞎,
時代差蠻多的吧?
中上那台大坦克好像紅色警戒裡的天啟坦克巨大板~
最後一張......
會不會有些誇張?
作者: CHI200335    時間: 2009-7-26 09:29 PM

裡面有日本人做的櫻花耶  不全是得國人的唷
作者: 神之棄子    時間: 2009-7-26 09:53 PM

德國技術真不是蓋的 感謝分享
作者: liou5791    時間: 2009-7-27 02:17 PM

看了覺得超厲害...德國人真是有創意
作者: revan    時間: 2009-7-28 01:50 PM

最上面的飛機之前在雜誌上看過,它叫哥塔GO-220,是噴射轟炸機,在大戰末期做了兩架原型機,其中有一架試飛成功,但沒多久德軍就投降,送到美國去了..
看了看,德軍還真是有想像力呀..
作者: 96246073    時間: 2009-7-28 02:01 PM

不好意思...
樓主...
可以麻煩你翻譯成中文嗎...
不然這樣我也知看得懂圖而已
(彎管槍...話說這東西剛出不久好像就報廢了...)
作者: sars30840    時間: 2009-7-28 08:04 PM

我的天阿,還好德國並沒有資源可以量產這些武器,加上希特勒的近乎白癡的指揮,不然得宇就變成世界通用的語言了...
作者: augm60    時間: 2009-7-28 08:08 PM

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作者: 水之漣漪    時間: 2009-7-28 11:09 PM

好可怕的德國納粹...好幾種想像武器現在都已成真
作者: agip_555    時間: 2009-7-29 01:50 AM

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作者: food5257    時間: 2009-7-30 08:49 AM

真是一堆聽都沒聽過的怪東西
不知道是不是人家猜想的...
外星人科技
希望下次大大能翻譯成中文在上傳
我的英文沒及格過
呵呵
作者: f19810521    時間: 2009-7-30 05:23 PM

這些東西都是有可能的...
資料說那個飛碟都到試飛的階段了呢..
作者: tachaning    時間: 2009-7-30 08:58 PM

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作者: j80tw    時間: 2009-7-30 10:13 PM

還好大家有一起圍攻德國
不然歐洲早就成為德國的了
不過第一張圖片的轟炸機
也太像來自未來的
作者: wsx1401edc    時間: 2009-7-30 10:52 PM

The sound cannon was supposed to turn explosions of oxygen and methane into noise that could kill. A very high amplitude sound beam would be emitted at pressures exceeding 1000 milibars from a distance of around 150 feet, which would be fatal to a human exposed to it for thirty seconds. At a greater distance, a soldier would still suffer great pain and be seriously incapacitated for a considerable time afterwards.
作者: jefflin2424    時間: 2009-8-5 12:37 PM

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作者: 3567309    時間: 2009-8-5 01:46 PM

最後一張疑是飛碟
作者: 愛逛    時間: 2009-8-5 03:52 PM

的確很厲害
但可信度也待查證
作者: basketsunny    時間: 2009-8-9 05:37 PM

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作者: lianchai    時間: 2009-8-9 08:01 PM

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作者: 月黑風高2    時間: 2009-8-9 09:10 PM

這是遊戲吧這麼做的哪麼假的介紹阿
作者: jerry9912    時間: 2009-8-11 02:22 AM

只有2個東西知道 其他的  連看都沒看過...
作者: MAY5555    時間: 2009-8-11 03:27 PM

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作者: GRUN    時間: 2009-8-11 03:42 PM

沒想到鼠式坦克的體型這麼大?

有些武器感覺是合成出來豪洨騙人的
作者: m00055419    時間: 2009-8-11 04:41 PM

1# kpl 漲智慧呀!!!
作者: airblueorc    時間: 2009-8-11 10:18 PM

1# kpl
太科幻了吧    可性度很低...
作者: chen931209131    時間: 2009-8-11 10:53 PM

v2飛彈是真的~但是其他有些向合成~

我是二戰軍事迷~這太多怪東 西了吧
作者: tachaning    時間: 2009-8-11 11:04 PM

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作者: 刺河豚    時間: 2009-8-11 11:43 PM

飛..............飛碟!!!
作者: ed520v    時間: 2009-8-12 12:38 AM

第一張圖怎麼像是從遊戲畫面出來的那種廣告
最後一張那是幽浮嗎...?
都英文
好吃力
好險沒看到鋼X
作者: james0823    時間: 2009-8-12 01:41 PM

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作者: long_e18    時間: 2009-8-12 04:28 PM

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作者: forfreedom    時間: 2009-8-13 12:01 AM

有一些...能用嗎??
感覺有點不切實際耶
作者: gundam00830    時間: 2009-9-22 11:43 PM

可惜說明是英文的
不然有些真的值得一看
作者: lester412    時間: 2009-9-23 08:42 AM

雖然看不懂英文,但我看到了陸地上的航空母艦嗎?上個甲板要爬幾層樓高啊?
最後還有德國版的UFO,難到洛克威爾事件的駕駛是德國人而不是外星人嗎?
作者: im7099    時間: 2009-9-23 03:16 PM

看不懂啦.................不過還是謝謝分享
作者: bywho    時間: 2009-9-23 06:42 PM

德國人的想像力真是可怕
還好這些東西沒有被量產
作者: 德克    時間: 2009-9-23 07:35 PM

還好德國戰敗了要不然這些武器真的出來了我看盟軍真的不用玩了不過這些武器真的都有現代的武器的影子耶
作者: redbug117    時間: 2009-9-23 08:28 PM

有這麼誇張啊?要是這樣子德意志帝國早在很久前就稱霸世界了
作者: miradil01    時間: 2009-9-23 08:34 PM

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作者: ktlun    時間: 2009-9-23 08:43 PM

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作者: bradyfeng    時間: 2009-9-23 10:01 PM

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作者: il5578    時間: 2009-11-7 10:50 PM

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作者: 123579286    時間: 2009-11-8 01:29 AM

精彩,不過看全英文太辛苦了!而且軍武的單字更是我不認識他、他不認識我。
但是看圖片就讓我覺得很過癮
作者: ice941095    時間: 2009-11-8 02:29 AM

最後一張圖 我笑了XDDDD
不過在那時候 應該算滿前衛的思想
作者: 馬怪    時間: 2009-11-8 08:16 AM

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作者: 98854    時間: 2009-11-8 10:12 AM

英文不好..........
作者: 首席公關    時間: 2009-11-8 11:23 AM

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作者: 楓漂    時間: 2009-11-8 12:48 PM

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作者: r90208    時間: 2009-11-8 01:47 PM

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作者: pppt3365    時間: 2009-11-8 07:11 PM

當時的德國就是因為資源匱乏跟希特勒的無知  讓德國無法大展身手
作者: nate0601    時間: 2009-11-8 09:04 PM

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作者: tu0313    時間: 2009-11-8 09:59 PM

很棒的創意,可惜希特勒最後還是輸了....
作者: chungia    時間: 2009-11-9 08:08 PM

版主實在太利害了,佩服的五體投地,推!推!是必然的。
作者: cc0656    時間: 2009-11-9 09:06 PM

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